Some people have a thing for hurting people, getting hurt, usually the same people. Means a lot to them, means very little to me, hard to understand, hurt myself plenty without trying, other people too, I'm sure, not much of a kick for me.
Somehow seem to attract people like that, something to think about. Must be my honest face.
Thinking about an old professor of mine talking about his Eritrean Marxist college buddies use of 'dialectical' as a sort of generic endorsement, that's irony.